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Gerald Lack Apr-17-00, 11:25 AM (GMT)

"Episode 10 "A clone of my own" - code in movie"

There are two separate messages in the episode "A clone of my own" both appearing in the opening frames of the tribute movie to Prof. Farnsworth. Has anyone had any luck decoding them? One message is only up for two frames. I wasn't able to translate the messages, as they contain new characters not in the alphabet.

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A Clone of My Own reveals numeric d..., Krelnik, 12:57 PM, Apr-25-00, (1)

RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numer..., Mokalus of Borg, 09:43 PM, May-13-00, (2)
RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numer..., PainoMan, 01:30 PM, Jun-06-00, (3)

RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numer..., Aussiemandias, 11:42 AM, Jun-28-00, (11)

RE: Episode 10 , Uncanny Antman, 04:53 AM, Jun-09-00, (4)

RE: Episode 10 , Smoke, 08:59 PM, Jun-19-00, (5)

RE: Episode 10 , Burnum Duplass, 12:16 PM, Jun-22-00, (6)

RE: Episode 10 , Marticus, 04:45 AM, Jun-23-00, (7)

RE: Episode 10 , PainoMan, 12:26 PM, Jun-23-00, (8)

RE: Episode 10 , PainoMan, 03:04 PM, Jun-23-00, (9)

RE: Episode 10 , Socrates, 09:21 AM, Jun-25-00, (10)

RE: Episode 10 , svlad, 05:45 AM, Oct-02-00, (12)

RE: Episode 10 , svlad, 05:52 AM, Oct-02-00, (13)

RE: Episode 10 , Kyle, 05:42 PM, Oct-04-00, (14)

Trying to work out the numbers., Noosha, 02:27 PM, Oct-15-00, (15)

Really trying to work out the numbe..., Darrell, 02:34 AM, Oct-16-00, (16)

RE: Really trying to work out the n..., Robert, 01:00 PM, Oct-16-00, (17)

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Krelnik Apr-25-00, 12:57 PM (GMT)

1. "A Clone of My Own reveals numeric digits"

Yes, I just noticed those last night when I was indexing my tapes.
The messages on the roll before Prof. Farnsworth's biography say:
START SOUND
It's written sideways, and then it appears again written sideways in the other direction. This is clearly designed to look like the countdown trailer that precedes most films.
The more interesting thing about this message is it reveals several numeric digits! Clearly the three symbols right before the bio starts are intended to be 3, 2 and 1. Here's a graphic I whipped up showing them:
On the same frames with the START SOUND messages, there are three other symbols that might be other digits. Here's what they look like:
The first one (the squiggle with two dots) appears on the first start sound frame, to the left of "start sound". The other two appear, exactly as pictured, to the right of "start sound" on the second frame.
Can anyone hazard a guess as to which digits these would be? Someone got a real countdown trailer somewhere with START SOUND on it, maybe that would be a clue.

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Mokalus of Borg May-13-00, 09:43 PM (GMT)

2. "RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numeric digits"

I'm pretty sure (since "START SOUND" is written sideways) that the third symbol here is just the "2" sideways. As for the X and the squiggle, if we unwisely borrow from Roman numerals, it's a 10. However, if just the *pattern* of Roman numerals is applied, the digit would be a 4 (two 2s mashed together). Maybe Mr G has chosen a Romanoid pattern to represent digits, but based it on 2 rather than 5, more like a binary system?
Mokalus of Borg
PS - I wonder how many digits we could create this way...
PPS - Ah, who really cares?

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PainoMan Jun-06-00, 01:30 PM (GMT)

3. "RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numeric digits"

Anyone notice that all the letters are written backwards? This means that the squiggle is also backwards.

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Aussiemandias Jun-28-00, 11:42 AM (GMT)

11. "RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numeric digits"

Is it just me or does anyone else think there's two symbols there - 1) a dot and 2) squiggle with dot on top?
While I'm here, someone with better eyes than mine might want to check this out, but at the Televideo in "My Three Suns" there's a bunch of digit buttons with what seems to be alien equivalents under each one.

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Uncanny Antman Jun-09-00, 04:53 AM (GMT)

4. "RE: Episode 10 "

Just wanted to point out something...
Your supposition of the numbers 3-2-1 may be incorrect. Standard reel starts never show the number one. They usually count down to 2, then a blip, and then the show starts. I could be wrong, but I do believe you actually have the symbols for 4-3-2. Feel free to disagree though, obviously. :)

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Smoke Jun-19-00, 08:59 PM (GMT)

5. "RE: Episode 10 "

Yup, from my earliest school years, the tail end of when (my) school showed films, the last number shown was two, then it cut to the film. BTW-Starting numbers ranged from 3 to 7, but 4 was by far the most common, as in the film in question.

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Burnum Duplass Jun-22-00, 12:16 PM (GMT)

6. "RE: Episode 10 "

For the first image, I think the dot may represent 0, judging from the pattern of the numbers (dot+line=one, dot+two lines=two, dot plus cross=3). I don't know what the dot and squiggle is. In the second image, I think the dot/x combination is four. If the symbol next to it is two, this could be the alien representation of 24 frames per second.

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Marticus Jun-23-00, 04:45 AM (GMT)

7. "RE: Episode 10 "

As someone else pointed out the countdown in a clone of my own the sequence is 4,3,2 it seems that the numbers are also represented by the number of points in the picture ie | has 2, /\ 3 and + 4. If this follows, one will probably be a point, and 5 may be an asterisk
My $2E-2
(Sorry for starting a new thread, but I missed the discussion)

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PainoMan Jun-23-00, 12:26 PM (GMT)

8. "RE: Episode 10 "

Hmm... I do believe your right! That would make the numbers with the squiggle 25. The 5 of course, being the cross (four endpoints and the intersection). But what is that damn squiggle?

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PainoMan Jun-23-00, 03:04 PM (GMT)

9. "RE: Episode 10 "

Just for clarification. The 4 character has the dot and a cross with the dot at the top endpoint, and you count the endpoints only. The 5 character is a cross with the dot at the intersection. You count the intersection on the 5 because the dot is at the center and not on an endpoint.
After thinking about the 4-3-2/3-2-1 debate, I think it could go either way. Whoever put that piece in the episode may not have thought about ghow the old trailers went exactly and just made it 3-2-1. It's only natural. So the other line of characters could be 24? or 25?. I'm thinkin' that last squiggle-with-the-two-dots is another digit. If we could figure out how the dots work, we'd know for sure.

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Socrates Jun-25-00, 09:21 AM (GMT)

10. "RE: Episode 10 "

When they show those style films on the Simpsons, the countdown always goes 4 3 2. We could assume that Groening would use this same pattern in Futurama.

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svlad Oct-02-00, 05:45 AM (GMT)

12. "RE: Episode 10 "

ok, it seems that i might be the first to notice this, but before the 4-3-2 or 3-2-1 countdown, as previously mentioned, the words "start sound" apear at 2 different times, the only differance, apart from where and what direction it appears in, is the 2 extra charachters in the same shot, the first time, it can be translated as start sound 2d (or 3d as theres some speculation as to whats what with the numbers), and the second time its a dot and a dot above a squiggly line, my first guess is that its the same thing over, in the "second" alien language, and that the squiggly line with the dot is possibly "d"
a further note, is that the same squiggly line with the dot charachter also appears in episode 1acv07 "my three sons", it is the bottom charachter on the verticle sign on the pillar beside the emporer's throne, that is in the yet to be decrypted second alien language, im most likely wrong about all of this, and im not even 100% sure that it really is the same character, but i figured i'de point out the similaritys as there seems to be very little or no progress on translating the other language
p.s. please forgive the length and lack of grammer in this msg :)

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svlad Oct-02-00, 05:52 AM (GMT)

13. "RE: Episode 10 "

ok, forget that bit about it being a d, i just realised i screwed up on the translation, but i still think the squiggly line with the dot is a character and not a number
i promise i'll think a bit more b4 i submit ANYTHING

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Kyle Oct-04-00, 05:42 PM (GMT)

14. "RE: Episode 10 "

It's a number! What are ya, blind???

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Noosha Oct-15-00, 02:27 PM (GMT)

15. "Trying to work out the numbers."

I've read all the messages on this particular page, and if this 4-3-2/3-2-1 debate is still going on, then I can think of a way to perhaps settle it...
On a page somewhere (Futurama.org..?) I saw it mention that there was something then, when translated, meant '2D RULEZ'... Can't you check that '2' with the '2' that's been identified in the 'clone of my own' episode?
And come on... That 'Squiggle-with-two-dots'..??
It's two characters... the dot... then the tilda, with a dot above it... It has to be... Otherwise, it'd go against the standard character width, set by the other identified characters. Actually, erm.. I could be wrong there, but I am purty darn sure that it's two different characters.
Anyway, that's my little addition, for the moment...

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Darrell Oct-16-00, 02:34 AM (GMT)

16. "Really trying to work out the numbers."

Hehe...Futurama.org is The Futurama Outlet.
The '2' hasn't really been confirmed as a 2 in the message _D Rulez. We Really don't if it's a 2 or a 3.
So this debate will be ongoing til there is a definite, no mistake message which settles the debate.
I do agree with you that the dot and the squiggle with a dot are seperate. But I have something to add, We may be looking at this freeze screen all wrong. The squiggle may not be a squiggle as if you look at how the numbers and letters appear on the screen you will notice that the screen ripples like water.
We'll never know until we see more of the alphabets....
Z 8 - ! ~ O - ! - ( 8 - ! X ; - !
D Johnson
The Other Outlet Guy

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Robert Oct-16-00, 01:00 PM (GMT)

17. "RE: Really trying to work out the numbers."

Wait,
I thought I was the other Outlet guy?
The Futurama Outlet

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Gerald Lack	Apr-17-00, 11:25 AM (GMT)
"Episode 10 "A clone of my own" - code in movie"
There are two separate messages in the episode "A clone of my own" both appearing in the opening frames of the tribute movie to Prof. Farnsworth. Has anyone had any luck decoding them? One message is only up for two frames. I wasn't able to translate the messages, as they contain new characters not in the alphabet.
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Krelnik	Apr-25-00, 12:57 PM (GMT)
1. "A Clone of My Own reveals numeric digits"
Yes, I just noticed those last night when I was indexing my tapes. The messages on the roll before Prof. Farnsworth's biography say: START SOUND It's written sideways, and then it appears again written sideways in the other direction. This is clearly designed to look like the countdown trailer that precedes most films. The more interesting thing about this message is it reveals several numeric digits! Clearly the three symbols right before the bio starts are intended to be 3, 2 and 1. Here's a graphic I whipped up showing them: On the same frames with the START SOUND messages, there are three other symbols that might be other digits. Here's what they look like: The first one (the squiggle with two dots) appears on the first start sound frame, to the left of "start sound". The other two appear, exactly as pictured, to the right of "start sound" on the second frame. Can anyone hazard a guess as to which digits these would be? Someone got a real countdown trailer somewhere with START SOUND on it, maybe that would be a clue.
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	Mokalus of Borg	May-13-00, 09:43 PM (GMT)
	2. "RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numeric digits"
	I'm pretty sure (since "START SOUND" is written sideways) that the third symbol here is just the "2" sideways. As for the X and the squiggle, if we unwisely borrow from Roman numerals, it's a 10. However, if just the pattern of Roman numerals is applied, the digit would be a 4 (two 2s mashed together). Maybe Mr G has chosen a Romanoid pattern to represent digits, but based it on 2 rather than 5, more like a binary system? Mokalus of Borg PS - I wonder how many digits we could create this way... PPS - Ah, who really cares?
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	PainoMan	Jun-06-00, 01:30 PM (GMT)
	3. "RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numeric digits"
	Anyone notice that all the letters are written backwards? This means that the squiggle is also backwards.
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	Aussiemandias	Jun-28-00, 11:42 AM (GMT)
	11. "RE: A Clone of My Own reveals numeric digits"
	Is it just me or does anyone else think there's two symbols there - 1) a dot and 2) squiggle with dot on top? While I'm here, someone with better eyes than mine might want to check this out, but at the Televideo in "My Three Suns" there's a bunch of digit buttons with what seems to be alien equivalents under each one.
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Uncanny Antman	Jun-09-00, 04:53 AM (GMT)
4. "RE: Episode 10 "
Just wanted to point out something... Your supposition of the numbers 3-2-1 may be incorrect. Standard reel starts never show the number one. They usually count down to 2, then a blip, and then the show starts. I could be wrong, but I do believe you actually have the symbols for 4-3-2. Feel free to disagree though, obviously. :)
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	Smoke	Jun-19-00, 08:59 PM (GMT)
	5. "RE: Episode 10 "
	Yup, from my earliest school years, the tail end of when (my) school showed films, the last number shown was two, then it cut to the film. BTW-Starting numbers ranged from 3 to 7, but 4 was by far the most common, as in the film in question.
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Burnum Duplass	Jun-22-00, 12:16 PM (GMT)
6. "RE: Episode 10 "
For the first image, I think the dot may represent 0, judging from the pattern of the numbers (dot+line=one, dot+two lines=two, dot plus cross=3). I don't know what the dot and squiggle is. In the second image, I think the dot/x combination is four. If the symbol next to it is two, this could be the alien representation of 24 frames per second.
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	Marticus	Jun-23-00, 04:45 AM (GMT)
	7. "RE: Episode 10 "
	As someone else pointed out the countdown in a clone of my own the sequence is 4,3,2 it seems that the numbers are also represented by the number of points in the picture ie \| has 2, /\ 3 and + 4. If this follows, one will probably be a point, and 5 may be an asterisk My $2E-2 (Sorry for starting a new thread, but I missed the discussion)
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	PainoMan	Jun-23-00, 12:26 PM (GMT)
	8. "RE: Episode 10 "
	Hmm... I do believe your right! That would make the numbers with the squiggle 25. The 5 of course, being the cross (four endpoints and the intersection). But what is that damn squiggle?
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	PainoMan	Jun-23-00, 03:04 PM (GMT)
	9. "RE: Episode 10 "
	Just for clarification. The 4 character has the dot and a cross with the dot at the top endpoint, and you count the endpoints only. The 5 character is a cross with the dot at the intersection. You count the intersection on the 5 because the dot is at the center and not on an endpoint. After thinking about the 4-3-2/3-2-1 debate, I think it could go either way. Whoever put that piece in the episode may not have thought about ghow the old trailers went exactly and just made it 3-2-1. It's only natural. So the other line of characters could be 24? or 25?. I'm thinkin' that last squiggle-with-the-two-dots is another digit. If we could figure out how the dots work, we'd know for sure.
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	Socrates	Jun-25-00, 09:21 AM (GMT)
	10. "RE: Episode 10 "
	When they show those style films on the Simpsons, the countdown always goes 4 3 2. We could assume that Groening would use this same pattern in Futurama.
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	svlad	Oct-02-00, 05:45 AM (GMT)
	12. "RE: Episode 10 "
	ok, it seems that i might be the first to notice this, but before the 4-3-2 or 3-2-1 countdown, as previously mentioned, the words "start sound" apear at 2 different times, the only differance, apart from where and what direction it appears in, is the 2 extra charachters in the same shot, the first time, it can be translated as start sound 2d (or 3d as theres some speculation as to whats what with the numbers), and the second time its a dot and a dot above a squiggly line, my first guess is that its the same thing over, in the "second" alien language, and that the squiggly line with the dot is possibly "d" a further note, is that the same squiggly line with the dot charachter also appears in episode 1acv07 "my three sons", it is the bottom charachter on the verticle sign on the pillar beside the emporer's throne, that is in the yet to be decrypted second alien language, im most likely wrong about all of this, and im not even 100% sure that it really is the same character, but i figured i'de point out the similaritys as there seems to be very little or no progress on translating the other language p.s. please forgive the length and lack of grammer in this msg :)
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	svlad	Oct-02-00, 05:52 AM (GMT)
	13. "RE: Episode 10 "
	ok, forget that bit about it being a d, i just realised i screwed up on the translation, but i still think the squiggly line with the dot is a character and not a number i promise i'll think a bit more b4 i submit ANYTHING
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	Kyle	Oct-04-00, 05:42 PM (GMT)
	14. "RE: Episode 10 "
	It's a number! What are ya, blind???
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Noosha	Oct-15-00, 02:27 PM (GMT)
15. "Trying to work out the numbers."
I've read all the messages on this particular page, and if this 4-3-2/3-2-1 debate is still going on, then I can think of a way to perhaps settle it... On a page somewhere (Futurama.org..?) I saw it mention that there was something then, when translated, meant '2D RULEZ'... Can't you check that '2' with the '2' that's been identified in the 'clone of my own' episode? And come on... That 'Squiggle-with-two-dots'..?? It's two characters... the dot... then the tilda, with a dot above it... It has to be... Otherwise, it'd go against the standard character width, set by the other identified characters. Actually, erm.. I could be wrong there, but I am purty darn sure that it's two different characters. Anyway, that's my little addition, for the moment...
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	Darrell	Oct-16-00, 02:34 AM (GMT)
	16. "Really trying to work out the numbers."
	Hehe...Futurama.org is The Futurama Outlet. The '2' hasn't really been confirmed as a 2 in the message _D Rulez. We Really don't if it's a 2 or a 3. So this debate will be ongoing til there is a definite, no mistake message which settles the debate. I do agree with you that the dot and the squiggle with a dot are seperate. But I have something to add, We may be looking at this freeze screen all wrong. The squiggle may not be a squiggle as if you look at how the numbers and letters appear on the screen you will notice that the screen ripples like water. We'll never know until we see more of the alphabets.... D Johnson The Other Outlet Guy
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	Robert	Oct-16-00, 01:00 PM (GMT)
	17. "RE: Really trying to work out the numbers."
	Wait, I thought I was the other Outlet guy? The Futurama Outlet
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